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Post by auntieannie on Mar 5, 2020 17:51:03 GMT 2
Well, with your medical history, Voy, I'd be considering my options as well. If you allow me to speak my mind freely. How are you travelling there and are there easily accessed healthcare facilities in the vicinity to where you'll be staying?
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Post by tzarine on Mar 5, 2020 18:12:26 GMT 2
voy
i worry about your mexico trip as well esp the time onboard & in airports
tzar did buy extra rice & i restocked ramen bc tzarevich ate it all up this weekend
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Post by Baz Faz on Mar 5, 2020 18:54:37 GMT 2
The UK has more than twice the number of cases as Thailand. Should we fly back?
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Post by kuskiwi on Mar 5, 2020 19:49:32 GMT 2
International head office are sending more and more idiotic H&S group emails. As one would expect from a bunch of complete Non PC characters the reactions have bordered on hysterical to WTF. Latest suggestion from the treasurer of the social club is that we book flights (super cheap at the moment) for our midwinter function. The route at the moment varies between Singapore or HongKong, stopover in Tehran then self isolate in a villa in possibly Tuscany for 2 weeks, fly back then self isolate at home. The only flaw I can see in that plan is 2 weeks to tolerate one or two of the staff might just be a bit much and my liver may not cope with 2 weeks of booze which is part of the current "dream".
I have to admit that the situation as it is is a bit scary as our staff are vulnerable already to anything going working in and out of hospitals, resthomes, schools, kindergartens and processing plants. We already have really robust H&S for issues such as rotovirus (almost an occupational hazard) so this is just ramping up another notch.
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Post by rikita on Mar 5, 2020 23:45:37 GMT 2
i am wondering about the reasoning behind people buying so much food or toilet paper that the shop shelves are empty. i can understand it if you are in the countryside and alone, but else - it's highly unlikely to get so bad all of a sudden taht all shops close down. and if i am quarantined, i'd still have the option of either asking friends or relatives to buy the things i need and leave them at my door, or to order things online ... my main worry is that there will be a suspected case at a's school and then they close down and i'll have to work from home while also keeping her busy (a colleague recently mentioned an article he read that pointed out a problem with closing down schools: kids are not in much danger, but can be silent carriers - while old people are most in danger. now, if you close schools, and the parents have to work, the people they are most likely to turn to for help with the kids are the grandparents ...)
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Post by Netsuke on Mar 6, 2020 2:19:23 GMT 2
The UK has more than twice the number of cases as Thailand. Should we fly back? It will be quicker than swimming.
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Post by Netsuke on Mar 6, 2020 2:24:33 GMT 2
International head office are sending more and more idiotic H&S group emails... Latest suggestion from the treasurer of the social club is that we book flights (super cheap at the moment) for our midwinter function. The route at the moment varies between Singapore or HongKong, stopover in Tehran then self isolate in a villa in possibly Tuscany for 2 weeks, fly back then self isolate at home. The only flaw I can see in that plan is 2 weeks to tolerate one or two of the staff might just be a bit much and my liver may not cope with 2 weeks of booze which is part of the current "dream. The only good part is the 2 weeks in a villa in Tuscany. But I'd stay a little longer. (I loved both "Enchanted April" and "Under The Tuscan Sun"!)
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Post by Netsuke on Mar 6, 2020 2:30:58 GMT 2
i am wondering about the reasoning behind people buying so much food or toilet paper that the shop shelves are empty. i can understand it if you are in the countryside and alone, but else - it's highly unlikely to get so bad all of a sudden taht all shops close down. To find your IQ, start with 150 and minus the number of toilet rolls you have! I am very intelligent - I have an IQ of 135!
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Post by Voy on Mar 6, 2020 2:48:25 GMT 2
Well, with your medical history, Voy, I'd be considering my options as well. If you allow me to speak my mind freely. How are you travelling there and are there easily accessed healthcare facilities in the vicinity to where you'll be staying? -asked Annie. I would be travelling from Orlando via Phoenix to Hermosillo via air ( spending the night before with friends in Orlando and taking an Uber to the airport), being picked up in Hermosillo and taken back to "home" with my cousins - and then staying in an Airbnb.. and then reverse.
I don't know about health care there - Art drove back to the US for his cataract surgery.. but his wife is an RN/Emergency room nurse...
I'm giving it another week or so...before deciding
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Post by shrjeff on Mar 6, 2020 4:19:56 GMT 2
what is the incubation period for panic?
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Post by Netsuke on Mar 6, 2020 7:50:45 GMT 2
what is the incubation period for panic? Don't know, Shrjeff, but I know what the definition (of panic) is. Driving on the highway behind 50 Hell's Angels and your horn gets stuck!
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Post by OnlyMark on Mar 6, 2020 11:01:01 GMT 2
I read of a woman stocking up on tinned stuff and it was mentioned she had bought a month's supply of toilet roll. It seemed dramatic until I thought for a second and realised one of those packs of six rolls is enough for me for a month with some left over.
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Post by Baz Faz on Mar 6, 2020 11:38:31 GMT 2
I think I should stock up on toilet rolls. When my daughter and her two early-teens sons come to stay they get through a roll a day. I have no idea how they achieve this. Is it a world record?
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Post by OnlyMark on Mar 6, 2020 13:15:34 GMT 2
It depends if they are folders or wrappers. A folder will rip of, say, three sheets and then fold along the perforated edge into one thicker sheet. A wrapper will hold the end sheet then wrap it around their hand several times to unroll it, then remove their hand from the middle. This technique uses far more paper.
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Post by Baz Faz on Mar 6, 2020 14:00:51 GMT 2
Perhaps we should get one of those Thai bum guns.
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Post by lumi on Mar 6, 2020 16:03:57 GMT 2
They're not specifically Thai, Baz, they're common across South-East Asia and Middle-Eastern counties (and probably others I haven't visited). In Thailand you're just as likely to get a bucket of water with a smaller bucket to scoop out some water to do the cleaning, at least in less fancy places. The spray hoses are the modern variant.
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Post by lumi on Mar 6, 2020 16:05:59 GMT 2
I'm questioning whether or not to travel to australia with my 2 year old for Easter. Haven't bought tickets still but have been planning to go for a while. And a visit would be more important now as there are some serious medical issues in my family so would be good to be able to visit. But would also hate to catch something and pass it on to those who are already in less than perfect health.
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Post by sophie on Mar 6, 2020 17:57:07 GMT 2
Lumi, that is a big question and decision. Here, international school trips are being cancelled to all European countries and Japan. How does your family feel about you coming? If you would be treated as a walking infection, maybe staying home would be better.
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Post by sophie on Mar 6, 2020 18:00:16 GMT 2
I am scheduled to go visit a friend in the Vancouver area and we have plans going across the border to a fancy resort in Washington state for a couple of days. We will wait for another week before we decide if we cancel as the situation Washington is changing daily.
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Post by Baz Faz on Mar 6, 2020 19:04:47 GMT 2
Everybody should cancel their travel plans and come to Chipping Sodbury. No coronavirus here. Nobody is wearing masks. The only sign of panic buying is empty shelves of toilet paper and pasta in Waitrose.
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Post by tzarine on Mar 6, 2020 19:13:50 GMT 2
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Post by slowcoach on Mar 6, 2020 21:20:01 GMT 2
We can buy denatured alcohol from the vet by the litre, we shall not want for sanitised hands.
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Post by Voy on Mar 6, 2020 21:59:02 GMT 2
Just thinking that if we DO go to Baz, we should all take lots of toilet rolls !
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Post by auntieannie on Mar 6, 2020 22:47:50 GMT 2
no panic buying (lots of loo roll available in shops) and no one's wearing masks here... except rare asian students, who wear them every time they've got sniffles anyway. Although we are potentially high risks since our trains run back and forth into Italy and no measure is taken in trains.
My parents' physician, who is a cardiologist, did not reassure my mom as to what the virus does and how serious the situation is. And I'm quite glad as I don't want my parents to be complacent. At least the explanation didn't come from me so I know she's more likely to heed advice.
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Post by Baz Faz on Mar 7, 2020 0:17:12 GMT 2
Let us not forget that flu kills between 200,000 and 600,000 each year. Coronavirus has a long way to go.
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Post by Netsuke on Mar 7, 2020 4:34:45 GMT 2
I've never had the flu, and I've never had a flu injection. I'm not going to worry about catching the corona virus. No sense worrying about it - if you get it you get it. Stiff!
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Post by slowcoach on Mar 7, 2020 5:07:01 GMT 2
Yet another virologist on the Beeb, this one informed us that the progression of COVID-19 will continue expansion until it is stopped by herd immunity much like any other viral respiratory disease.
The interviewer let this pass without comment or challenge.
He, the virologist, is probably right but the HIT (herd immunity threshold) for influenza is at a minimum 33% (which is much lower than most diseases). Now immunity is acquired (vaccination or infection) or innate (genetic e.g. having a variant cell receptor molecule). So unless there is a vaccine pretty damn quick the implication is that millions, perhaps tens of millions will die. Of course thousands of millions will recover and the race will continue younger and wiser.
FWIW, I expect that we are much closer to some sort of vaccine than is indicated, e.g. months perhaps even weeks rather than a year or more. If not that a new antiviral drugs perhaps based on antisense technology. If you think back; during the West Africa Ebola crisis we went from having no effective countermeasures to a choice of two or three within a few weeks. There is a reason for my optimism and it is down to the US military and homeland security and preparations for defense against biowarfare/bioterrorism.
Well I hope that the virologist is wrong and that I am right.
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Post by auntieannie on Mar 7, 2020 11:27:25 GMT 2
they are also looking at the ACE2 medication, which already exists, since the virus "sticks" to the ACE2 receptors.
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Post by wikki on Mar 7, 2020 17:49:25 GMT 2
I am more worried of the financial impact of the corona virus than the health impact...
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Post by tzarine on Mar 7, 2020 19:15:45 GMT 2
the financial impact is here chinatown has been a ghost town & tourists aren't coming (nice in my neighbourhood)
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