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Post by slowcoach on Feb 29, 2020 5:32:23 GMT 2
I was fascinated by the distant allure of absinthe from a young age, due entirely to its connection with the arts and artists in France, such as Degas, but others too. It was never banned in the UK but it wasn't commonly sold either. That changed; I noticed it had become readily available sometime in the 1990s and for a while I partook.
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Post by auntieannie on Feb 29, 2020 8:54:27 GMT 2
In Switzerland, they just take the thujone out. Although I know people who know people who make it "whole" - it is sold prohibition era style. Imagine my puzzlement at uni hearing about it being used medicinally!
Since then, I've learnt that it is only some people who are hypersensitive to the thujone and go loopy on it. most people won't have any issue with it, provided they don't abuse (of?) it.
Slow, I've been reading Stephen Harrod Buhner's herbal antivirals, where he details his protocol for the SARS virus, which is closely related to the current plague.
The only thing I can think of when hearing about the temperature thing is "what if a lady has her temp checked whilst in the middle of a hot flush?"
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Post by kuskiwi on Feb 29, 2020 10:03:43 GMT 2
NZ announced last night that the first case here is in hospital but responding well to medication. Came from Iran via Bali but self isolated on arrival. I normally go to the supermarket about 7am for my weekly shop and have the place to myself. Not so this morning. Bit of panic reactions from those who may not be able to keep well stocked pantries and cleaning equipment. Toilet paper, tissues and soap suddenly became "limit of.... " items. Fortunately I'm reasonably well stocked but checked over my "earthquake" kit and a lot of items were well past the use by date including water. Top up time.
The medical jury here seems to differ re the type of hand sanitiser to use if you can't access water and soap. Some say alcohol based - others say use other versions.
Airlines here are advertising massive savings - but many are to countries where you would have to self isolate now that we have cases here. 14 days in isolation isn't my idea of a great holiday.
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Post by tzarine on Mar 1, 2020 5:58:09 GMT 2
kus
apparently nyc is running out of masks & hand sanitizer. the panic & xenophobia has begun. an asian woman was attacked on the subject. we've had the first death in washington state. my friend in cali told me his son's SAT (college admissions standardized test) has been cancelled. i've always had an emergency kit bc i grew up in cali in earthquake country & after the sandy blackout, we have supplies
i'd like some absinthe about now bc i feel like we are living is a science fiction movie
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Post by slowcoach on Mar 1, 2020 6:46:02 GMT 2
As of the 28th Feb 2020 the risk assessment both Regionally and Globally have risen to the same level as for China:
WHO RISK ASSESSMENT China: __________ Very High Regional Level: ___ Very High Global Level: _____ Very High
Things aren't going very well, some part of the official response is freaking people out, I suspect it is the self-isolation. A silly thing is that I cannot see that it is sustainable.
Given that this is a pandemic, and in country transmission will dominate:
Could everyone that develops a respiratory disorder isolate themselves for 14 days?
If they announce an end to self-isolation what will people make of that?
If they don't will the economics take over and force people to disobey?
Why is this so much different from, SARS, MERS, H1N1, that it threatens global economic well being?
Perhaps Boeing won't need to build any more 737 - MAX aircraft after all.
The response may well prove more deadly than the disease.
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Post by sophie on Mar 1, 2020 7:06:47 GMT 2
There was an interesting documentary about this virus made by the Australian Broadcasting Corp.. watched it tonight on CBC (our equivalent to BBC) . Nothing really earthshaking but the way the Chinese government tried to control the initial information about it was shameful.
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Post by wikki on Mar 1, 2020 8:20:42 GMT 2
In Switzerland, they just take the thujone out. Although I know people who know people who make it "whole" - it is sold prohibition era style. Imagine my puzzlement at uni hearing about it being used medicinally! Since then, I've learnt that it is only some people who are hypersensitive to the thujone and go loopy on it. most people won't have any issue with it, provided they don't abuse (of?) it. The problem is, if you make Absinth with real wormwood you can not contoll the level of thujone, meaning you don't actually know how strong it is. Now, absinth is made with artificial wormwood, so, no thujone at all. that's also the reason why home made absinth is still forbidden.
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Post by slowcoach on Mar 1, 2020 9:16:58 GMT 2
When I was in the UK and I was drinking absinthe it was a made with real wormwood and did contain thujone. I believe that thujone, up to a certain concentration, was permitted in all EU countries unless banned locally. Perhaps the UK could now express its sovereignty by upping the thujone limit, and it may have to.
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Post by auntieannie on Mar 1, 2020 12:39:45 GMT 2
In Switzerland, they just take the thujone out. Although I know people who know people who make it "whole" - it is sold prohibition era style. Imagine my puzzlement at uni hearing about it being used medicinally! Since then, I've learnt that it is only some people who are hypersensitive to the thujone and go loopy on it. most people won't have any issue with it, provided they don't abuse (of?) it. The problem is, if you make Absinth with real wormwood you can not contoll the level of thujone, meaning you don't actually know how strong it is. Now, absinth is made with artificial wormwood, so, no thujone at all. that's also the reason why home made absinth is still forbidden. Same as with any natural product.
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Post by slowcoach on Mar 1, 2020 13:07:14 GMT 2
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Post by shrjeff on Mar 1, 2020 13:25:50 GMT 2
gee, should i look for some judean sage?
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Post by auntieannie on Mar 1, 2020 19:18:11 GMT 2
thing is...for most, this new plague is not going to be much. For those whose ACE2 receptors are malfunctioning, it could be deadly. And for those, "natural remedies" won't replace oxygen therapy and such, in case of acute respiratory distress.
This is why the WHO is not suggesting herbal remedies. Herbal remedies can be efficient, but nothing will replace oxygen and such in case of respiratory distress.
The issue is further complicated by long incubation time of the virus, as well as length of time when patient is contagious.
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Post by Baz Faz on Mar 1, 2020 20:04:09 GMT 2
I was working at our National Trust property today. When I said to a visitor I was still a bit jet-lagged after the flight back from Bangkok he took two steps back from me.
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Post by shrjeff on Mar 2, 2020 6:05:10 GMT 2
thing is...for most, this new plague is not going to be much. For those whose ACE2 receptors are malfunctioning, it could be deadly. And for those, "natural remedies" won't replace oxygen therapy and such, in case of acute respiratory distress. This is why the WHO is not suggesting herbal remedies. Herbal remedies can be efficient, but nothing will replace oxygen and such in case of respiratory distress. The issue is further complicated by long incubation time of the virus, as well as length of time when patient is contagious. and if we've been innoculated against pneumonia, then what is the real danger?
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Post by auntieannie on Mar 2, 2020 13:35:57 GMT 2
Jeffy, inoculated against a viral or a bacterial pneumonia ? Bactéricides do not kill viruses. And if viral, which type? The inoculation should protect from secondary infection and some of the effects of the virus, but not all of them. There are plants that can help prevent corona viruses from "sticking" to the person. But they are mostly the usual suspects in terms of prevention of coughs and colds.
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Post by auntieannie on Mar 2, 2020 21:51:35 GMT 2
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Post by tzarine on Mar 2, 2020 22:25:51 GMT 2
annie
definitely watching that tonight ah, the panic has begun nyc has a case - woman who returned from iran
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Post by sophie on Mar 3, 2020 3:17:25 GMT 2
Panic buying has started here. I went to Costco today and I couldn’t believe how people were buying cases of stuff.. and they were out of toilet paper.
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Post by Baz Faz on Mar 3, 2020 11:16:40 GMT 2
I bring to your attention the plus side of coronavirus. Every winter thousands of people in Britain are killed by flu. Now, with people washing their hands more and taking care to cover their coughs and sneezes, flu is not nearly so widespread.
It's an ill wind...
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Post by auntieannie on Mar 3, 2020 12:35:00 GMT 2
good point, Baz!
I can't help but notice that with the constantly changing temperature and weather conditions here, about everybody either has the sniffles or a cough.
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Post by tzarine on Mar 3, 2020 19:38:00 GMT 2
oh & for me, the early spring has kicked in w allergies
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Post by auntieannie on Mar 4, 2020 11:44:23 GMT 2
shrjeff, did I answer your question? I hope so. The take away message is to take it seriously, but not to panic.
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Post by shrjeff on Mar 4, 2020 12:06:32 GMT 2
we panicked on monday by stocking up on ground beef, fruit, entrecote steak... then we made a reservation for a cruise from southampton to copenhagen via the baltics for may...
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Post by slowcoach on Mar 5, 2020 5:43:35 GMT 2
As of three days ago there have been 6 cases of COVID-19 in our region (autonomous community) with no deaths so far.
Given that the population is barely one million that is quite a high density compared to that of Germany, France, the UK, and Spain as a whole, but less than that for Italy.
No sign of a panic as yet but I am trying to persuade my wife that a little additional preemptive shopping is probably in order. Even if no one here panics, shortages will develop in the supply line as days and weeks pass.
ETA:
Worryingly neither the recent death of an 82 year old in the Basque region nor the single earlier fatality due to COVID-19 in Spain appear in the latest WHO figures.
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Post by auntieannie on Mar 5, 2020 8:31:12 GMT 2
we panicked on monday by stocking up on ground beef, fruit, entrecote steak... then we made a reservation for a cruise from southampton to copenhagen via the baltics for may... Glad you're not panicking. I am not sure I'd want to go on a cruise, ever, but hey as long as you and Wendy have fun...
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Post by Baz Faz on Mar 5, 2020 11:54:26 GMT 2
This is the time to tell my cruise anecdote.
Decades ago, when I worked in advertising, the client (a cruise company) insisted I went on one of their voyages. The company obviously didn't rate me highly as I was popped into an upper berth of a four berth cabin. The two lower bunks were occupied by old pals, probably old world war pals. One morning I heard this conversation.
"Bill? Bill?" "What is it?" "You drunk the glass of water." "So what if I did?" "It had my false teeth in it."
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Post by Baz Faz on Mar 5, 2020 14:02:02 GMT 2
BBC online has a piece on developing a vaccine. This is a quote from it:
Remember there are four coronaviruses that already circulate in human beings. They cause the common cold, and we don't have vaccines for any of them.
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Post by Voy on Mar 5, 2020 15:02:39 GMT 2
I do begin to worry about my trip to Mexico in 3 weeks...
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Post by slowcoach on Mar 5, 2020 15:42:40 GMT 2
The closest cases is about a 20 minute drive away, so almost next door. He and all the otbe hosher five cases in our region are all recently returned from Italy!
It is a small world so we now who the closest case is.
As it happens his small town, or village is where we have just been to collect pet food. 40Kg each of sheep and dog food.
Oh, and we bought some loo paper on the way back.
FWIW there is no sign of panic, the six patients are all doing well and none of them have had to hospitalized.
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Post by slowcoach on Mar 5, 2020 16:14:51 GMT 2
Voy,
Is it the trip bit, or the Mexico bit that worries?
Not many cases reported in Mexico (5 total, no deaths, all imported from outside Mexico); admittedly that doesn't mean that the reporting is accurate.
I would probably prefer not to be spending time in airports or sat with strangers in a long metal tube wherever they came from or were going to.
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