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Post by auntieannie on Oct 28, 2018 13:44:30 GMT 2
Do you feel comfortable with the global tilt to the far right in world politics?
I don't and feel completely at a loss as to how to counter it.
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Post by slowcoach on Oct 28, 2018 15:34:57 GMT 2
I would strongly advice never arguing with nationalists, nativists, and definitely not fascist, supremacists, or holocaust revisionists (denial was so last year).
Some of them must dedicate most waking moments to supporting and web based studying their cause.
By and large they prefer to talking to listening. For amusement you can try some gentle ironic prodding and be amazed by what they think in less guarded moments.
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Post by Voy on Oct 28, 2018 16:00:59 GMT 2
what Slow said --- it's terrifying, and all I can say is get the right-minded folk out to vote!!
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Post by auntieannie on Oct 28, 2018 20:45:02 GMT 2
oh, yes. I never ever try and taunt any of those. but I don't feel comfortable on the planet as it currently is.
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Post by auntieannie on Oct 28, 2018 20:49:39 GMT 2
What is it with people thinking I might be enough of a fool to go keyboard to keyboard with ultra right loonies?
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Post by slowcoach on Oct 28, 2018 22:03:05 GMT 2
... but I don't feel comfortable on the planet as it currently is.
That just goes to show that you are paying attention.
One the most troubling things about the 20th century were the things that snuck up on folks that they should and could seen coming, or at least claim to have been surprised.
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Post by shrjeff on Oct 29, 2018 5:34:59 GMT 2
as someone who came of age in berkeley in the 1960's we thought that we'd made true progress, particularly in the area of race relations... but was it merely a flash in the pan and didn't illuminate things? looking at the trumpists and their buddies around the world is not at all reassuring
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Post by sophie on Oct 29, 2018 6:38:32 GMT 2
I agree with you, shreff, but there are golden moments which (I think) show not all is lost. Maybe I live in hope or a fools paradise, but I see reconciliation working between First Nations and governments along with land treaties. I see various cultures living and sharing together. Is it perfect? No, of course not. But there are some bits of hope.
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Post by shrjeff on Oct 29, 2018 8:37:51 GMT 2
agree, sophie, that improvement has been made, some evolutionary and some radical... organized lynching is not happening, just 'lone wolves' blowing people away...
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Post by auntieannie on Nov 5, 2018 20:26:04 GMT 2
I really hope USanians will be able to vote the way they want and that the results will be a reflection of people's wish. And selfishly I hope it goes the way I want as I am petrified of it going "wrong".
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Post by Voy on Nov 6, 2018 1:23:26 GMT 2
so am I... please, potters, vibe,pray, braid fingers, hold thumbs for us !
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Post by sophie on Nov 6, 2018 2:24:08 GMT 2
I have been trying very hard not to get sucked into watching too much American tv because it gets me so upset.. so hope there are changes!
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Post by Voy on Nov 7, 2018 16:51:10 GMT 2
well Maine is just fine ! Angus King ( senator ) and my congresswoman and my local state senator and reps all won with 70% yayyyy. And the horrible Gov is no more and we elected a good Dem WOMAN in his place. the only thing left is the other congress seat ( Maine only has 2...) where a real shit has been in, it's amazing but a young challenger has forced the race into the first use of ranked choice voting in the state - they are going to have to distribute the preferences to decide the race....yikes...
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Post by tzarine on Dec 3, 2018 2:12:22 GMT 2
watching the news can be depressing, but people need to get out & vote
sadly, i see people wrapped up in amazon shopping & watching netflix but i am optimistic bc i see kids, students organizing & speaking out
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Post by tzarine on Feb 1, 2019 1:33:58 GMT 2
well, watching news from brasil & venezuela is pretty grim
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Post by auntieannie on Feb 2, 2019 15:18:31 GMT 2
agreed, Tzarine.
Here, my dad is watching French News channels about the yellow hi-viz jackets most days for most of the day. A change from golf, which takes 2nd place.
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Post by auntieannie on Feb 2, 2019 15:29:26 GMT 2
by the way, it looks like everybody and their dogs are running for president of the USA in 2020.
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Post by tzarine on Feb 2, 2019 21:56:43 GMT 2
annie
i know boycott starbucks unless you want idiot billionaire howie schultz running people are heckling him @ his events. funny.
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Post by Netsuke on Feb 2, 2019 23:37:41 GMT 2
From a poor, benighted, "We came out as convicts" Antipodean, I have a question.
Do you all hate/dislike/loathe Republicans or is it just Donald Trump aka Lumpy-Trumpy?
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Post by tzarine on Feb 3, 2019 0:24:32 GMT 2
the corporate dems are as bad well, but that's a whole another story. obie was no saint, either. the detention centers, the bailout of wall street. i only changed from independent to be able to vote in the ny primaries. some of my more conservative friends left the republican party bc they couldn't stomach their policies.
i don't want millionaires representing me. for ex. amazon keeps sending me flyers about how they are going to "grow jobs" and "encourage STEM" & how they want me to contact my councilman to tell him to support amazon. my councilman is committed to the senior citizens & low income & middle class citizens & has been long against the corporatization & the dubai ing of downtown.
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Post by slowcoach on Feb 3, 2019 9:36:58 GMT 2
Want to see the future of politics?
Visit the UK. Go now while it lasts.
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Post by auntieannie on Feb 3, 2019 23:24:02 GMT 2
spells like shambles, slow. shambles.
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Post by slowcoach on Feb 4, 2019 6:59:33 GMT 2
"Action without meaning" (e.g. Mad Max)
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Post by tzarine on Feb 4, 2019 19:12:14 GMT 2
my friends & i wonder whose country is falling quicker?
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Post by tzarine on Feb 12, 2019 17:51:07 GMT 2
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Post by slowcoach on Feb 13, 2019 16:43:53 GMT 2
I just listened to a pro-Brexit MP stating that that changing the "exit date", (29th March 2019), as enshrined in the UK "European Union (Withdrawal) Act", would require primary legislation, and that would not be possible as there isn't sufficient time to do so. Hence the UK must leave the EU on that date, one way or another.
The trouble is, her statement seems to be, to put it in clear terms, complete Bollox.
The said act states that:
Government can, on a whim, change the date of "exit date" and hence can, on a whim, request an extension, or rescind the declaration of withdrawal altogether.
It is not my job to know this, but it is hers, and perhaps she does. What is really shocking is that the journalist, did not challenge the statement.
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Post by slowcoach on Feb 22, 2019 11:13:15 GMT 2
I read an interesting academic article on the undevelopment of the UK. The thrust being that the UK is pioneering a post-development phase, and from here on in the path is one of absolute decline. Not just an economic decline but a political and ethical decline, a country becoming less prosperous and hence less tolerant, and more brutal.
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Post by OnlyMark on Feb 22, 2019 11:44:42 GMT 2
Mad Maxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, yeah!!!
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Post by auntieannie on Feb 23, 2019 19:24:44 GMT 2
isn't that the antithesis of pioneering spirit, slow?
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Post by auntieannie on Mar 10, 2019 21:55:24 GMT 2
I am hearing debates about what to do with the captured IS djihadists of western countries. I don't see it as a simple situation. do you?
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