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Post by ninchursanga on Apr 30, 2013 18:07:40 GMT 2
The Queen of Holland finally retired and her son took over. I've been watching live and while it's entertaining I can't help thinking that monarchy is just soooo yesterday.
Plus, the past months the Dutch have been agonizing over a financial crisis but now fork out shit loads of money for these people.
What you think? Yay for a Queen/King or is it just hopelessly out-dated?
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Post by slowcoach on Apr 30, 2013 18:53:28 GMT 2
When did vast personal wealth go out of fashion? I think the monarchy and similar forms are very much today and soooooooo tomorrow.
In the UK you have to understand that we are talking about a concept called "The Crown".
If we reversed the settlement under which the Crown is administered to the benefit of the Treasury and the monarchy pensioned, the monarchy would have a revenue that has been estimated to be around ~£500m/annum and of course a private estate of immense size.
The Crown represents wealth beyond the comprehension of most.
The Crown is deeply embedded in English and Welsh law and the notion, at least, might have to remain for a long time to come.
We did once try a Republic but it was really bad and hugely unpopular.
When the Queen dies, something will change in the nature of monarchy, particularly the notion of the Crown Imperial. The old King was monarch to about 30% of the world's population, now it is really only the UK and the Dominions, and I expect that the Dominions will be also go their own way.
But the evidence for the notion that power over the masses be personified by or actually held by a very small group of hugely wealthy individuals is all around us.
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Post by Peromyscus on Apr 30, 2013 19:04:29 GMT 2
Monarchy is outdated and needs to be phased out, though I realize it would be difficult.
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Post by slowcoach on Apr 30, 2013 19:47:47 GMT 2
Oligarchy is on the rise quite generally and democracy on the retreat, worrying about monarchy is a bit of a side issue, IMO.
Should the English monarchy be freed of its commitments it would I think be a far greater power in this land.
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Post by ninchursanga on May 1, 2013 16:37:01 GMT 2
Good point about the oligarchy, also something which I personally oppose.
The Netherlands once were a republic, before they became a monarchy so I have more hope. Even though yesterday it didn't look like at all as if there was some disagreement. Prince Claus, the late husband of princess Beatrix once said in an interview that people should be glad that monarchy is hereditary cause if it wasn't it'd quickly die out - cause the lifestyle is not fun at all. He was known to have struggled with his life as a royal and he also never hid it.
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Post by Grecian on May 1, 2013 20:41:11 GMT 2
God save our gracious Queen
Long live our noble Queen
God save the Queen
Send her victorious
Happy and glorious
Long to reign over us
God save the Queen
O Lord our God arise
Scatter her enemies
And make them fall
Confound their politics
Frustrate their knavish tricks
On Thee our hopes we fix
God save us all
Thy choicest gifts in store
On her be pleased to pour
Long may she reign
May she defend our laws
And ever give us cause
To sing with heart and voice
God save the Queen
Not in this land alone
But be God's mercies known
From shore to shore
Lord make the nations see
That men should brothers be
And form one family
The wide world over
From every latent foe
From the assassins blow
God save the Queen
O'er her thine arm extend
For Britain's sake defend
Our mother, prince, and friend......
God.... save.... the... Queen !
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Post by Grecian on May 1, 2013 20:46:16 GMT 2
The thing is, apart from England and a tad of Spain, Portugal and Italy, no other Fucker took the massive hassle and expense to try and work out just exactly what was out there, in this Big Wide World of ours..
The Seppos and Crims can STFU at this point..
England just Explored, Colonised and treated the locals with Respect...and the Locals learnt from God's Country...
Hence we have the World we have today!
Monarchy and Royalty are just part of History - if you have one....
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Post by ninchursanga on May 1, 2013 22:24:17 GMT 2
England just Explored, Colonised and treated the locals with Respect...and the Locals learnt from God's Country... Now you're either drunk or just a complete idiot. If you have some brain cells, try some comparative history. |
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Post by slowcoach on May 1, 2013 22:32:56 GMT 2
England just Explored, Colonised and treated the locals with Respect...and the Locals learnt from God's Country... I hoped it was irony, but who knows? A bit like “The White Man's Burden” as irony it would be hysterically funny. |
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Post by Grecian on May 2, 2013 20:38:32 GMT 2
Hey! You two feckers!
Tell me who gave India.....Cricket!
You watching the IPL and the crowds??
Ha! I have you on that one!
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