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Post by Hedonista on Oct 18, 2009 13:21:38 GMT 2
Not for those with a weak stomach. I took these photos at Tomohon market in the Minahasa highlands, Sulawesi, Indonesia. Dog is a local speciality dish and apparently they are reared for consumption. I was told that the optimum age to eat dog is 18 months, once they have gained enough meat without it getting tough. I had it curried and it was delicious. The burning is just to remove the hair. |
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Post by happytraveller on Oct 18, 2009 13:31:08 GMT 2
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Post by Hedonista on Oct 18, 2009 14:13:51 GMT 2
If you want me to remove just say!
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Post by happytraveller on Oct 18, 2009 14:19:36 GMT 2
Nono, it's ok ! I have seen far more cruel pictures, those dogs are dead, they don't feel the pain and fear anymore.
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Post by Hedonista on Oct 18, 2009 14:49:21 GMT 2
I did not post the most shocking ones though - dead dogs laying in a pile ready to have the fur burned off. I think that could really have upset some dog lovers. The only consolation is that you can see they are all of the same breed so clearly were reared for consumption
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Post by happytraveller on Oct 18, 2009 15:04:09 GMT 2
I don't know how they do it in indonesia but in some places in china they skin them alive, the other dogs watching, knowing they are going to be next. Well they don't only do this with dogs, but with most animals. Apparently the meat tastes better when the animal dies under stress. That makes me really really angry and agressive. I can't stand people who have no respect for animals. Whenever I set a foot on Asia I go vegetarian.
Do you know how those dogs were killed ?
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Post by Hedonista on Oct 18, 2009 19:28:02 GMT 2
No idea how they were killed. I just had a close look at the pic I have of them dead with their fur on and there is no sign of any wound so they were certainly not bludgeoned to death or shot. For me it was and (like anything to do with food) is a curiosity. When i set foot in Asia I open my mind to eat take on whatever new food experiences I can find.
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Post by lumi on Oct 18, 2009 21:13:39 GMT 2
I could be wrong but I think that dogs which are to be eaten are often beaten to death
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Post by kerouac2 on Oct 18, 2009 21:51:05 GMT 2
The first two photos didn't bother me all that much, but the subsequent photos do look burned beyond necessity and therefore quite evil.
I can't imagine why food dogs can't be skinned like normal animals, but Filipinos definitely have different traditions. When my father was in the Navy, he spent some time in the Philippines and ordered a traditional "steak and eggs" for breakfast. He said that the steak had hair on it and was definitely a dog, but this merely implies that the hair wasn't burned off as well in the old days.
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Post by Hedonista on Oct 18, 2009 21:56:49 GMT 2
K2, I am not a professional photographer but it is serious hobby of mine. My shots are aimed to portray in a reportage fashion the market in question which is a reality. What is evil about that?
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Post by lumi on Oct 19, 2009 5:12:03 GMT 2
I could be wrong but I think that K2 is saying that the CONTENT of the photos is evil, not your actual photos themeselves...
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Post by happytraveller on Oct 19, 2009 7:14:52 GMT 2
I could be wrong but I think that K2 is saying that the CONTENT of the photos is evil, not your actual photos themeselves... I think Lumi is right... |
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Post by goldie on Oct 19, 2009 8:40:16 GMT 2
They look pretty gruesome - but it's really no worse than seeing pictures of dead cows or sheep, is it? (And I speak as a meat-eater!)
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Post by Hedonista on Oct 19, 2009 11:00:00 GMT 2
If you saw them all lying dead with their fur on you may be a bit more shocked, that is why I did not post those pix. Seeing a dead cow or pig is ok for most of us because we associate them with food but seeing a pile of dead dogs ready to be butchered is a bit different. What made this market so interesting was the fact that all the butchering, from live fury animals to ready to sell meat, took place out in the open in view of all customers. Here is a less gruesome (hence no spoiler) pic of one of the junior Hedonists (this was 5 years ago, he just turned 20) with a bat at the same market:  |
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Post by lumi on Oct 19, 2009 11:05:18 GMT 2
I ate a bat when I was in Thailand  |
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Post by Hedonista on Oct 19, 2009 11:38:21 GMT 2
Did you like it Lumi? I ate one there in Indonesia and did not like it at all. The meat was very strong in flavour even in a highly spiced sauce and so tough we could hardly eat it. But I have heard that the bigger fruit bats are much more tender and tasty than the scrawny thing shown in the picture.
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Post by lumi on Oct 19, 2009 12:54:55 GMT 2
well I didn't know it was bat when I ate it - I thought it was chicken! It was deep fried and given to me by someone who was very drunk so I thought someone was playing a joke on him by telling him it was bat - I assumed it was a tiny, tiny chicken which probably makes me more stupid, lol. I didn't mind the taste, didn't think anything of it actually.
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Post by welle on Oct 19, 2009 15:07:51 GMT 2
Cool dog photos, or rather impressive photos. (And I'm glad I'm vegetarian)
Love the bat picture.
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Post by kerouac2 on Oct 19, 2009 20:15:13 GMT 2
Hmmm, I have never seen bat on the menu yet. In Sapa, Vietnam, I did go to a restaurant that served unusual meats (beaver, bear, rat, etc.).
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Post by Voy on Oct 19, 2009 23:01:02 GMT 2
I had the huge fruit bats once in New Guinea. nothing like chicken. not bad, but once was enough.
I love their name in pidgin.. Bilak bokis = black box.
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Post by lumi on Oct 20, 2009 4:07:20 GMT 2
hahaha, black box - that is funny! The bat I ate probably tasted nothing like chicken either - I didn't mention in my post that I had been drinking so that may have desensitised my taste buds ;D I just nipped next door to the bar to the stall that had deep-fried everything!
I will pretty much try anything in any country but 2 things which I have passed on have been dogs in South Korea and rats in Laos. I have probably unknowingly eaten them as I always eat at street vendors but I avoided them when I knew.
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Post by Hedonista on Oct 20, 2009 15:45:17 GMT 2
I tried rat in Indonesia and it was even worse then the bat. Dod as i saod before was good though.
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