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Zambia
Nov 11, 2016 15:01:58 GMT 2
Post by kerouac2 on Nov 11, 2016 15:01:58 GMT 2
Bizarrely enough, hardly anyone seemed to smoke in Mexico either, and it was banned everywhere indoors anyway. Perhaps the world is really changing.
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Zambia
Nov 11, 2016 21:44:17 GMT 2
Post by OnlyMark on Nov 11, 2016 21:44:17 GMT 2
There are a number of States in India where it is banned in public places, and that includes the street.
Nipped into a supermarket today to get a couple of things on the way to a place nearby. It is called 'Food Lovers' and deals mainly with the middle class and expats. Hence prices are up to a third at least more expensive than elsewhere. The plus is that the quality is a lot better than in the Spar or Shoprite and it is a lot smaller with more exclusive imported goods. Generally we will shop at the major ones and go to this one just for treats. To give you an idea of the (converted into Euro) prices we bought the following -
A large soft white roll (in the UK they'd be the size of a bap) is 0.16c (in Shoprite they are 0.12c) Granny Smith apples are 1.60 per kilo A large avocado is 0.80c Mature Cheddar cheese is 15.0 a kilo 1 bag of 10 chapatis is 1.87 A pack containing a reg pepper and a green pepper is 2.81 500g pack of cherry tomatoes are 1.40
More in a second.
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Zambia
Nov 11, 2016 21:57:37 GMT 2
Post by OnlyMark on Nov 11, 2016 21:57:37 GMT 2
I've found a receipt from Pick n Pay, the standard mid range supermarket, prices are between the cheaper Spar and the more expensive Food Lovers.
(Prices again in Euro)
Salt and vinegar Pringles (very important food) - 2.00 2 litres of fresh milk - 1.73 5 litres fresh water - 1.87 Jar of South African blackcurrant jam - 3.56 Packet of Knorr soup - 0.43 The mature cheddar in Food Lovers is from South Africe. In This supermarket it is from Ireland and is 20.60 a kilo, so more expensive. 2 papaya - 3.93 1 normal English cucumber - 1.10 500g of local standard salted butter - 4.95 200g of a quite reasonable South African Feta - 3.10
That'll do you for now.
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Post by sophie on Nov 12, 2016 3:48:27 GMT 2
Some of these prices may be seasonal... I remember tomatoes being grown there.. And surely avocados must grow there?
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Zambia
Nov 12, 2016 8:02:46 GMT 2
Post by OnlyMark on Nov 12, 2016 8:02:46 GMT 2
I understand 'avo's' are grown here. Tomatoes also but we didn't need any yesterday. I do expect there are more prices linked to seasonal stuff than in western supermarkets. One shock was that they'd run out of Ramen noodle soups. Never known it happen ever in any country. Shock horror.
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Zambia
Nov 12, 2016 18:50:38 GMT 2
Post by OnlyMark on Nov 12, 2016 18:50:38 GMT 2
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Zambia
Nov 13, 2016 12:38:32 GMT 2
Post by missalaska on Nov 13, 2016 12:38:32 GMT 2
barefeettheatre.org/performance-company/ Something to do at Christmas with the family perhaps - met some of them in Addis last year at a festival. Food Lovers is my big no no, they've completely ruined our local family green grocer since they moved in 3 years or so ago.
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Zambia
Nov 13, 2016 14:34:10 GMT 2
Post by auntieannie on Nov 13, 2016 14:34:10 GMT 2
missAlaskaaaaaa! did you see the post about the rooftent in the car thread?
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Zambia
Nov 13, 2016 15:36:53 GMT 2
Post by missalaska on Nov 13, 2016 15:36:53 GMT 2
No I didn't.....
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Post by OnlyMark on Nov 13, 2016 16:35:53 GMT 2
MissA, I'll certainly look into that company.
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Zambia
Nov 13, 2016 17:34:08 GMT 2
Post by OnlyMark on Nov 13, 2016 17:34:08 GMT 2
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Zambia
Nov 13, 2016 17:35:33 GMT 2
Post by OnlyMark on Nov 13, 2016 17:35:33 GMT 2
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Zambia
Nov 13, 2016 17:36:59 GMT 2
Post by OnlyMark on Nov 13, 2016 17:36:59 GMT 2
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Zambia
Nov 13, 2016 17:37:51 GMT 2
Post by OnlyMark on Nov 13, 2016 17:37:51 GMT 2
Mrs M had to spend a bit of time in her office but I managed to drag her away for lunch. A local cafe called Mint Lounge was quite busy but we managed to grab a table on their terrace. They do really good frozen fruit smoothies and the food is more geared towards the expat and local middle class taste. It was handy for us as it is just across from her office and meant she didn't have to spend too much time away. I had a halloumi, hummus, aubergine and vegetable roll. Cost 7 euro - Mrs M had a bacon, egg and avocado sandwich. Cost 5 euro -
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Zambia
Nov 13, 2016 18:26:31 GMT 2
Post by auntieannie on Nov 13, 2016 18:26:31 GMT 2
It would be interesting to know about the various ethnic backgrounds in the area. What made me wonder was your remark about how a lot of goods at the market came from RDC as well as how the masks look. And I babble now - I know from contact with African people how ethnicity is important and how they call someone from the same ethnic background "brother/sister" even if they aren't family in any other way.
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Zambia
Nov 13, 2016 19:03:56 GMT 2
Post by Baz Faz on Nov 13, 2016 19:03:56 GMT 2
MissA, did you see my post some months ago... The last time Miss Alaska posted was 21 April. What goes on?
Glad to have you around again.
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Zambia
Nov 13, 2016 19:34:36 GMT 2
Post by missalaska on Nov 13, 2016 19:34:36 GMT 2
It would be interesting to know about the various ethnic backgrounds in the area. What made me wonder was your remark about how a lot of goods at the market came from RDC as well as how the masks look. And I babble now - I know from contact with African people how ethnicity is important and how they call someone from the same ethnic background "brother/sister" even if they aren't family in any other way. Zambia has many many languages and different tribes, one interesting thing for me is the different masks denoting their different tribal groupings. That market looks like Greenmarket Square in Cape Town we get a shit load of stuff shipped/carted down regularly from up the continent for the tourists. Only - please do look up Barefeet - they specifically have a Christmas programme that targets the ex-pat community to fundraise for their other stuff - I think they have their big childrens' festival in their most notorious township around now, I was invited to attend but I would have needed to front my own ticket etc, no can do right now! Baz I didn't see that - thank you for thinking of me - I've been busy and also in a strange space personally, but just been for 2 weeks in Namibia.
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Zambia
Nov 13, 2016 20:18:23 GMT 2
Post by OnlyMark on Nov 13, 2016 20:18:23 GMT 2
Zambia is quite complex ethnically. Just first, a point about the brother/sister thing. Zambians are more than most, a friendly and welcoming nation. It matters a lot less here as to which ethnic group you come from. Yes, there can be friction but it is a very rare occurrence. As such most feel they are all brothers and sisters. My regular taxi driver considers everyone as his brother and uses the word quite often. I'm sure you have been aware of physical differences between groups, some have facial differences, some can have a different build and so on. Thus someone born and bred in one group tends to be able to easily identify someone from a different group. Also, touching on language, this can be an identifier. But, here there are over seventy ethnic groups. With intermarriage and mixing it becomes quite difficult, though some are in one specific area and reasonably small, but the two main groups, Nyanja and Bemba, are those in an around Lusaka.
There is a significant amount of refugees from the DRC and a growing number from Zimbabwe also. Bemba is the largest group in the country and I think Nyanja is the second, but as for language, English is more common than either. It is a valid guess that in a certain place there will be the majority of one group, but I'm sure even the locals who go to that area are guessing a bit. Ever since the original tribe here, the Khoisan, were forced out by the Bantu peoples about 800 years ago from the north west and they then were diluted by various other kingdoms as they rose and fell nearby, the country has generally accepted many tribes and has become a real mix. Bear in mind that geographically it is surrounded. There is no coast line to restrict movement. If you want to go north, south, east or west in the southern part of Africa, you'd tend to have to go through here.
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Zambia
Nov 13, 2016 20:28:25 GMT 2
Post by OnlyMark on Nov 13, 2016 20:28:25 GMT 2
MissA, in the meantime I've had a look on their website but it seems a little out of date. I will need to contact them to find out what their programme is. I am trying to watch the F1 Grand Prix in Brazil at the moment though. Can I do it later? Pretty please?
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Zambia
Nov 13, 2016 20:48:43 GMT 2
Post by missalaska on Nov 13, 2016 20:48:43 GMT 2
Yes it does look out of date... as Adam has taken himself off to other climes! Yes do it another day, enjoy the grand prize.
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Zambia
Nov 14, 2016 0:37:13 GMT 2
Post by Voy on Nov 14, 2016 0:37:13 GMT 2
you get your car - those are very cool, but I wane the mouse in the 4th one down!
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Post by OnlyMark on Nov 17, 2016 17:38:53 GMT 2
I'll get you the mouse Voy, but I'll keep it here. Had a nice phone call this lunch time. I was half hoping it would come but wasn't sure. The car is ready to be picked up, he said. The bank had told me it may take two to three weeks for the money to be transferred. But it only took four days. So I grabbed hold of my pet taxi driver and he took me down to the garage. After a check round and a bit of paperwork, it was all mine. Here is my Mitsubishi Wanker Pajero. I was very happy with the one we had for years and 130,000km in Egypt so I was always going to lean towards what I knew - I need to get to know it and do a few things like getting a roof tent, tools and some overland gear and we should be ready to go. If feels a lot better to be mobile.
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Zambia
Nov 17, 2016 18:32:48 GMT 2
Post by Baz Faz on Nov 17, 2016 18:32:48 GMT 2
How long will that car stay clean and shiny?
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Zambia
Nov 17, 2016 19:00:37 GMT 2
Post by OnlyMark on Nov 17, 2016 19:00:37 GMT 2
Half an hour at most.
I'm glad I've got it because I can now go to something like this that is advertised on a website I'm registered to that sends out newsletters via the internet for things happening -
CALLING ALL BEAUTY SEEKERS
On Monday 28th November, Senses at Sensorium is proud to announce that we will be hosting sort after and accredited Dr Alastair Clark and Dr Genevieve Marks in Zambia. Get that summer feeling and look younger longer. Dr Alastair Clark and Dr Genevieve Marks are offering 20% off treatments and if you bring one or more friends you can get more off your treatment. Dr Clark qualifications and accreditation: He is a registered GP in dermatology and aesthetics Master trainer of Domestic and International Doctors. Speaker in Medical Aesthetics . Ambasador for Allergan(Botox) and Fillers (Restylane) and Silhouette Threads. Dr Marks is also an injectable trainer and registered Restylane Kol (RSA)
(I'm not sure what an injectable trainer is though. Does it mean when you train to do injections you can practise on him?)
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Zambia
Nov 17, 2016 20:05:21 GMT 2
Post by Voy on Nov 17, 2016 20:05:21 GMT 2
re the mouse. Rats. ( that you are keeping him ! -- why aren't you my secret santa??) -- just kidding! but I do think it would be fun to collect a menagerie of non-trad African "heads" -- maybe you could find a house-cat to go with him. or some kind of Western dog, etc..
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Zambia
Nov 17, 2016 20:08:34 GMT 2
Post by slowcoach on Nov 17, 2016 20:08:34 GMT 2
It looks very tidy. Any signs of it having been off-road?
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Zambia
Nov 17, 2016 20:37:34 GMT 2
Post by OnlyMark on Nov 17, 2016 20:37:34 GMT 2
How about a menagerie Voy? Would that do you?
Slow, guess what I really wanted ------ a Hilux pickup, especially as I just so happen to be within driving distance of Namibia. They are abundant here but the prices would make your eyes water. Plus they've been hammered. Mrs M said she wanted a proper vehicle with proper seats and comfortable. That's why I was also looking at Surfs. She said if I bought a HiLux I'd be driving it round on my own. I didn't tell her I thought that would be a good thing.
It's a 2005 Japanese import with just 55,000km on the clock. It's not, as far as I can see and I've been underneath, been driven off road at all. It's just passed the Zambian version of the MOT (that's probably not saying much though) but there are always hidden things that don't come to light until later. I have my fingers crossed.
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Zambia
Nov 17, 2016 21:49:27 GMT 2
Post by Baz Faz on Nov 17, 2016 21:49:27 GMT 2
So, you are in business already, Dr Marks.
Dr Marks is also an injectable trainer and registered Restylane Kol (RSA)
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Zambia
Nov 17, 2016 21:52:15 GMT 2
Post by OnlyMark on Nov 17, 2016 21:52:15 GMT 2
It's true. But I try not to advertise.
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Zambia
Nov 18, 2016 0:23:51 GMT 2
Post by Baz Faz on Nov 18, 2016 0:23:51 GMT 2
They have funny names for food in Lusaka, Mark. Next time you go you must have the Chicken Grizzles.
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