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Post by Grecian on Jan 9, 2016 21:57:21 GMT 2
Are they all indoctrinated to see Females as very subservient and so open to being robbed, groped and even Raped - just because they can?
I really don't know enough about their Culture to understand why so many Migrants decided to do what they did in Germany, and Cologne in particular, on New Year's Eve.
I really am here to be Educated but, at the moment, I find them abhorrent and it certainly appears that is part of their upbring through so many Generations.
Only Mark must have some idea?
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Post by outside cat @wino on Jan 10, 2016 10:17:50 GMT 2
Besides some of the murderous bastards I dealt with in a previous life most of them were respectful of women so to me it seems like criminal behaviour by criminals.
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Post by OnlyMark on Jan 10, 2016 12:45:43 GMT 2
Grecian, I actually have no idea at all. After spending years in the Middle East I still can't really fathom the attitude. It's a contradiction at times and I can only think it is founded in the religion and tradition for centuries and centuries. It is a question that was apparent every day whilst there and leaves me completely baffled as to how it has come about.
Mrs M initially would ask a woman who was covered up why tolerate it. Thy would say they were quite happy about it as it was part of their religion. The men would all deny having a bad attitude towards women. No matter how questions were asked, in a roundabout way or directly, there was never a true answer.
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Post by Grecian on Jan 10, 2016 21:35:44 GMT 2
Great reply there, Mark, and thanks for that.
But you do admit that there is an 'attitude' and you are 'baffled' as to how it came about'?
They really do have a serious problem with Women? So, it was only a matter of time until all the thousands of Middle Eastern Migrants caused the massive problem that they did do in Cologne, and all over Germany, on New Year's Eve?
Did you ask Middle Eastern blokes their attitude towards Women at any stage? (Sounds like Mrs M did her bit!)
Were you in the Army at any stage in your life, Wino?..If so, where did you serve..
Oh, and it wasn't 'Criminals'; it was about 1,000 young Migrant blokes who decided to gather at Cologne Railway Station and abuse and defile the local German Women, Wino...
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Post by outside cat @wino on Jan 10, 2016 23:57:43 GMT 2
Not brave enough to be a soldier geeky just a private contractor on a training base between Baghdad and Kuwait but training hundreds of Sunni/Shite men. This is pretty different to what Germany experienced, media reports indicate North Africa?
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Post by Tilly Star on Jan 11, 2016 13:44:02 GMT 2
On Halloween our local area was terrorised by about 1000 bikers, mostly young white males, who wore masks and rode up on pavements scaring and endangering families who were just walking in the street.
Does this mean all young white males are thoughtless, selfish dangerous bikers?
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Post by Grecian on Jan 11, 2016 20:49:21 GMT 2
Yes, Wino.
"The men suspected of attacking women in Cologne on New Year's Eve were "almost exclusively" from a migration background, mainly North African and Arab, an official report says.
Cologne police also made "serious mistakes" in not calling reinforcements and the way they informed the public.
More than 500 criminal complaints were filed, 40% alleging sexual assault."
Happy New Year, Star!
I really do doubt that there were 1,000 white Bikers? Did these 'White Bikers' throw fireworks at women; steal anything that they could get their hands on and Rape 3 of the women?
That'll be a No then.
You are just muddying the water and trying to be so PC at the same time. Maybe your PCness clouds your judgement and thoughts sometimes?
The question was whether 'North African Males' have a predilection to de humanising Women and treating them subserviently and with no Respect.
Only Mark seems to have the most experience of them around here and tends to agree.
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Post by Tilly Star on Jan 11, 2016 23:47:07 GMT 2
Not being PC or judging just asking a question. I think it's quite clear and not muddying the water at all.
Yes, they did throw fireworks at people, but isnt the point.
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Post by shrjeff on Jan 12, 2016 10:59:59 GMT 2
one must understand that there is strict gender segregation in traditional moslem society... an unmarried guy has contact with only his sisters, aunts and mother... one of my social workers came to the attention of this guy when she visited his sister who was her friend... they are now married! so you take a horde of horny guys with no outlet who are taught to see women in a subservient role, and never alone on the streets or at parties... and what happened in cologne and sweden is expected... here is an article from the woman's point of view which i think clarifies the anger the moslem man feels towards an independent ("western") woman: link |
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Post by OnlyMark on Jan 12, 2016 12:04:15 GMT 2
The question was whether 'North African Males' have a predilection to de humanising Women and treating them subserviently and with no Respect. Just to clarify, it's not just North African males. Any religion that imposes the restrictions and attitudes commonly held and 'authenticated' by religious leaders as their interpretation of writings, as in Islam, seems to substantially change the perception of males in their regard to the position/treatment/rights of a female in their or any other religion or society. It is one of my main bugbears about religion. |
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Post by Grecian on Jan 12, 2016 21:29:38 GMT 2
Well I really don't think that your scenario happened at all, Tilly, and you just made it up to make me look like a UKIP Candidate - tell me i'm wrong..
That's a different Discussion though, isn't it, Shejeff? The Israeli/Palestine/Middle East F uck Up situation? I opened the link but it's saying nothing as far as I can see about what I asked. Maybe you are Jewish and want to educate people on here on the good things that they are doing - and maybe missing out the Shit they do?..
So it's down to the teachings of a Religion that is prevalent in North Africa and the Middle East then, Mark?
I suppose i'm a Christian (Atheist if the Truth be known) but I sure as hell how to treat a Woman with the same Respect as anyone else in this World.
What makes the followers of Islam give them the so called Right to abuse Women?
Assuming we are in agreement and that is the case.
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Post by shrjeff on Jan 13, 2016 5:06:14 GMT 2
if you read the article with comprehension, geeks, you will note that the thrust of the article is the moslem male's oppression of women who want to do more than be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen - literally... even by 'educated' men... what in american race relations would be called 'uppity'... so any woman out on her own in public is fair game!!! isn't that the point of your thread?
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Post by pepecura on Jan 13, 2016 9:24:27 GMT 2
We had similar incidents here every new year's eve at the taksim square....every year. No surprise to me. I spent 38 years in this area. Islam is the strongly dominant culture in the defined region. Apart from many other sicknesses in itself, Islam, its prophet, its holy book and its god is obsessed with sex. sexism is mathematically established in the quran, fact. And bring to witness two witnesses from among your men. And if there are not two men [available], then a man and two women from those whom you accept as witnesses - so that if one of the women errs, then the other can remind her. find: quran.com/2/282Women in heaven, as defined in quran with such words; the young, white skinned, with newly developed breasts, sees noone but the owner, behaves, touched by noone before...is waiting these sexually frustated idiots there. In Turkey, couple of days ago, the head of ministry of religion declared, "it is not haram for a father to feel lust to his daughter"....one example to show where it has come lately. Could give pages of examples. For example, a muslim woman must not let her "area between the knees and belly" (as defined by islamists) to be seen to non-muslim woman. why ? because non-muslim woman may tell/describe this to her husband. Many many non-sense is there for the ones who wants to find out... Shortly, this dominant culture, Islam in the core, is creating sexually frustrated, horny animals, who see women as a sex object...yes they may be normal good fathers/brothers/people in their daily lives, but it is in there. May sound like a cliche, but that's the truth. Any woman a muslim meets, is a matter, if she is fudgeable or not, and for non-muslim woman...all the gates are open. AND. Women from non-muslims......apart from the psychological frustration of these men, apart from the effects on men of getting in touch with a free open individual of western women... ...these men are used to be given women as a present by their god !.......nothing must surprise anyone ! |
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Post by pepecura on Jan 13, 2016 9:44:27 GMT 2
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Post by Grecian on Jan 13, 2016 20:33:29 GMT 2
I will read your Link again, Jeff, and give you my considered thoughts. Soon!
It will take me a couple of hours to assimilate Pep's Posts there and give a deserved reply so both of you may have to wait a couple of days - as i'm also trying to buy Football tickets on the Internet!
Thanks again.
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Post by Grecian on Jan 14, 2016 22:22:39 GMT 2
Soz!
I'm still trying OnLine to buy Liverpool V Exeter City Tickets for next Wednesday - and I so know what matters more to me....
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Post by Grecian on Jan 15, 2016 21:32:29 GMT 2
Tickets finally sorted and it's a 44.500 Sell Out!
Jeff? I'm really struggling with your Article that you linked to above, to be honest.
It's long for one thing and "With her shoulder-length hair, bright red lipstick, zebra stripped pants and knee-length beige coat, Fadila balances modern fashion with traditional expectations" doesn't really help...
Then I am confronted with "In high school, she devoured Arab feminist literature — a genre she now thinks has little value" That's just so facile...
I assume that the Writer of the piece fancies her or is a Friend to get this article published?
So she's a well respected and fawned over Teacher from an Islamic State and has jumped over hurdles to be that - Is that what the article is saying?
Sorry but it's all too full of shite and self adulation for me to even attempt to understand just what the Article is trying to say. Maybe it's my fault but i'd have to be exceptionally bored to attempt to make head or tail of an article like that again.
I'll deal with Pep's Quran Quotes when i've had a lie down!
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Post by Grecian on Jan 17, 2016 20:58:02 GMT 2
F uck me! Who wrote that c rap, Peps? "Men are in charge of women by what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient"
"And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess" Is that a Wanking reference in The Koran?
Geesus, there isn't half some tasty stuff in the Koran that Radicals can get their Mandibles into and twist it through a 360 degrees!
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Post by Grecian on Jan 17, 2016 20:58:30 GMT 2
(No idea how that happened!)
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Post by eti on Feb 4, 2016 20:55:39 GMT 2
Remember that our culture had the same sort of role for women until 50 years ago. It can be hard to separate religion and culture - religion is a factor of course. Protestants still believe women should not work and can't be elected. I think most of this is because religion reflects the norms of the past. Society changes fast, rules in prescriptive religions don't follow along as quickly.
Quoting the Quran in order to show how sexist (or violent, etcetera) it is is dangerous stuff. One could also quote the Bible, it has similar verses.
It's the extreme right movements in the West now who like to do that sort of thing. It starts with citing the Quran to show it's bad, and it goes on to concentration camps and nuclear war threats (the Dutch extreme right 'Freedom Party' has suggested both over the past month or so). As a result of all this, muslims get marginalized and frustrated and the problems get worse.
An alternative might be fighting racism, banning racist parties and make sure migrants get the same chances as everybody else.
And don't forget the great majority of migrants is perfectly normal. Nobody ever said that my neighbor, who goes to work and takes care of his wife and kids and is friendly to his neighbors, is such a decent guy because he's a muslim. Only if something negative happens, religion is taken into account.
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Post by Grecian on Feb 6, 2016 21:51:36 GMT 2
50 years is a long time and I really don't think that back in them there days it was as bad as The Koran teaches and they all follow?
I certainly didn't see many English Women having to wear the Hijab, niqab or burka 50 years ago; Did you?
I certainly disagree with your Western view of Protestants these days?? Have you ever seen that in 'Action'?..
The Bible is more about Homosexuals and not a lot as regards Misogyny like the Koran and a few Posters have said above.
I assume you are an Apologetic Muslim, eti?
The Extreme Right do not exist in England and it's dying a slow death in France and Germany but the Migrant Crisis has certainly fanned their flames - and for f ucking good reasons!
How many are Migrants and going to claim Asylum through Political Persecution and how many are absolute Sh1t Head, young, Single Blokes who fancy their arm in England?
Thank F uck we are an Island and Europe can deal with the Migrants as they please..Already Merkel/Germany and Sweden are feeling the consequences of the Male Migrants unwarranted attention.
They are almost Feral...
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