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Post by Grecian on Nov 27, 2015 21:59:44 GMT 2
Such great Bedfellows, don't you think?
Please keep Football out of this Thread...
Thanks..
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Post by Grecian on Nov 28, 2015 21:28:00 GMT 2
Apparently, Russia have now put an Embargo on Turkish Tomatoes in retaliation for the downing on the Russian Su-24 'Warplane'..
How many Turkish Tomatoes do you think it would take to pay for the 1 Russian SU-24 Warplane?
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Post by outside cat @wino on Dec 6, 2015 11:11:54 GMT 2
I see the Germans have dived in as well..Putin's ego must be going batshit...
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Post by shrjeff on Dec 6, 2015 12:43:23 GMT 2
russia has also cut off oil and gas supplies to turkey claiming that turkey is the major buyer of ISIS oil... and now iran has chimed in to accuse turkey as well...
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Post by Grecian on Dec 6, 2015 21:03:46 GMT 2
It's just a Mental State over there. No one really knows what the F uck is going on.
I do know that Daesh really isn't worth trying to get around a Table and discuss things.
Those C unts so deserve to perish.
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Post by outside cat @wino on Dec 6, 2015 22:12:16 GMT 2
It is like an aggressive cancer....no treatment will fix it.
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Post by shrjeff on Dec 7, 2015 6:07:33 GMT 2
the history is simple: a guy in arabia named wahhab developed this reactionary cult back in the 19th century... ibn-saud, who was a local ruler, aligned with him for support... which continued with wahhab's followers and ibn-saud's descendants until the ibn-saud's captured arabia from the prior rulers in the 1930s, renamed it saudia arabia (and the prior rulers who were puppets of the brits were moved by them to rule jordan/transjordan which comprised the eastern part of the league of nations mandate to the british)... that's why saudia arabia is the center of wahhabism/salafism and exports it to the rest of the world with their oil wealth... and that's why the 'palestine-israel' conflict is NOT the source of the problem but the avant-garde of the movement, using all their resources to try to drive out non-moslems from the contiguous middle east... welcome to my world...
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Post by Grecian on Dec 7, 2015 20:46:46 GMT 2
Good Post there, Jeff.
Can you explain the recent uprising of Daesh then?
Can you also explain why they are so Blood Thirsty - Be-headings and Burnings being their choice of Death?
How are Women treated under Daesh? (I think I know that one)
How do you think that we - The West - should deal with Daesh?..
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Post by shrjeff on Dec 8, 2015 8:07:24 GMT 2
big questions... one of the underlying factors is that they are re-fighting the crusades, planning on taking over europe, this time getting past the balkans! then on to the new world... this guy has some interesting points - dunno how accurate he is but listen to the imbedded video: what ISIS really wantsthen listen to THIS |
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Post by Grecian on Dec 8, 2015 21:30:56 GMT 2
Thanks for that and i've saved your 1st Link as it would take me a week to read it all!
I'm listening to your 2nd link and it's very good but would you mind if I asked questions as I hear it and what crops up?
Why is the 'Kala Fate' (That's phonetic) 'attracting so many people to it' when the Women are Raped or put into Sex Slavery. Is it mainly Young Blokes being Radicalised?
Who has been 'sent from the 'Prophet's Tribe' that makes Daesh so Powerful? Before it was Osama Bin Laden for the Taliban but no 'Prophet' has been a spearhead of Daesh as far as I know.
(The Internet and Social Media in particular have a lot to answer for..)
F uck me! Deash refer back to battles in the 7th and 8th Century?? I thought it was bad as regards the Politics of Northern Ireland!
Strange that Deash kill more Muslims than Westerners..
"Isis is a manifestation of a deeper problem....some other group will come along.."
I think that kind of sums it up for me and i'm glad that i'm of a certain age as I won't have to live through World War 3 which will start due to Religion and will start in the Middle East.
Thanks again for that Link, Jeff..(Assuming you are called Jeff!..)
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Post by shrjeff on Dec 9, 2015 6:54:13 GMT 2
kala fate is caliphate... and it goes back to the arab tribalism and nepotism... only members of mohammed's tribe can become a 'legitimate' caliph and form a 'country' (caliphate) to which all muslims will be loyal... and as i mentioned above, yeah, they're still tied up with losing their attempt to capture europe and see everything as a continuation of that humiliation which they want to set right. that's why a jewish state in the ancient land of judea (original name which the romans renamed to palestine with the destruction of the second temple) sticks in their craw... btw, did you know that pre-state of israel it was the jews here who were labeled palestinians and had palestinian passports? the arabs were just known as arabs... when haykel says just let them implode, here's today's news... interesting, eh? Yeah, i'm jeff... |
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Post by Grecian on Dec 9, 2015 21:09:16 GMT 2
Interesting if a bit perplexing.
So you stop someone at a Road Block..
Just how do you know just which side he is fighting for??
Do they toss a Shekel?..
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Post by pepecura on Dec 15, 2015 10:01:55 GMT 2
Islam is the most dangerous religion, imho. In the holy book Kuran, it says, directly, make war to those who do not obey Allah's commands till they give up, fight and make war till the word of Allah dominates the world.
It is clearly stated, and that's how Islam spreaded anyway...by war, cutting, beheading and enslaving. Islam, is a death culture.
Muslims say that, even my close relatives, Islam is a religion of peace... Well, bullshit. It is not, and Kuran is an aggressive, sexist, racist, intolerant, homophobic book. The people who say Islam is a religion of peace, those are who never read the book as a whole. I have had tons of experiences seeing how muslims got shocked of those words written in the book, after sharing some passages from the Kuran itself.
The ones who defend, typical reaction is a poor attempt of twisting the words, mentioning second and third meanings bla bla...
And, Isis, is the group of people who are real muslims in my eyes. They follow the book, and do whatever it commands them to do. Other muslims we call "fresh water muslims", who are actually good and peaceful people basically but ignoratn in a sense because never read the Kuran as a whole and never tried to understand it, but living "their" Islam according to themselves...
I have had many people discussing with me about Islam, its beauties and defending that it is a peaceful religion....guess what is the common point ALL of them have ? None of them read the book of the religion they believe...I always find this amusing.
These are not unti-islam propoganda but facts. And, I totally undersand why the west developed fears of Islam. Islamophobia some call it, ahahaha, I really laugh every time I hear this word. Islamophobia....fear of beheaders will spread. Zombies are out there...boooo.
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Post by pepecura on Dec 15, 2015 10:09:59 GMT 2
About the Russia-Turkey stuff....I think both countries are giving typical reactions:
- Turkey is like the idiot who relates whatever happens onto him and behaves just like a cockhead
- Russia is the drunk cnut looking for trouble.
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Post by Grecian on Dec 15, 2015 21:32:04 GMT 2
FIGHT!
They are both UFC Cage Fighters but Turkey is a 8 stone weakling and Russia is a 16 stone Muthaf*cker! There's only one outcome in that Fight..
And, Isis, is the group of people who are real muslims in my eyes. They follow the book, and do whatever it commands them to do. Other muslims we call "fresh water muslims", who are actually good and peaceful people basically but ignorant in a sense because never read the Kuran as a whole and never tried to understand it, but living "their" Islam according to themselves...
So Muslims = ISIS and ISIS = Muslims?
So any Muslim who hasn't read the Koran in full and tried to understand it is ignorant?
I think the basic problem is that ISIS read certain things in The Koran that means that they can Murder any fu-cker who does not agree with them.
That is why Religious Beliefs are so terrifying!
They will always find an excuse for their abhorrent and disgusting behaviour..Somewhere.. In their....
"Writings".
It really is f ucking sad.
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Post by pepecura on Dec 18, 2015 12:37:56 GMT 2
In the book Kuran it says: "kill the non-believers during the holy months whereever you find them"
...that's exactly what ISIS did. They are following their holy book, and yes, which makes them muslims.
"So any Muslim who hasn't read the Koran in full and tried to understand it is ignorant?"
Off course they are ignorant, and more than that imo. What's the point of believing in a religion but not reading its holly book ? It means closing your eyes to the sides of Kuran which motivates people to do bad things...only picking some passages which simply says "do good"...the book commands to make war to those who does not believe in god or islam...so, being a muslim is supporting those killings in a sense ? One might say, I am muslim, but I do not support ISIS. You may find many as such...my mother for example. To my eyes it simply is this; "I am a muslim, but I do not fully agree with Allah in Kuran " ...and the punishment of saying it, again: to be killed.
I dont know and did not read other holy books, but to me, Islam is a very very aggresive, racist, homophobic bullshit religion. And, I dont need much proofs for this, just look at to middle east...I think Islam should be banned.
And now...Putin keeps threatening Turkey....and Turkey is flirting with Israel. What a whore we are.
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Post by pepecura on Dec 19, 2015 12:10:11 GMT 2
Just sharing this to present the level of idiocy of some group in Turkey... This illustration is reflecting the views of people who votes for Erdogan how they look to the recent incident between Russia, and Turkey. And actually these are about %50 of the total Turkish voters...and THIS is the main dominant vision in here, and this picture is being shared and liked in Facebook by those kind of people.  And it says: "Me, the big Hitler, did not mess up with Turks, boy. You, with a hand span of a body length, dont mess up with Turks. The ones who made it happen Ezan, call for a prayer, in Moscow today, tomorrow they will make your soldiers sing the Independance March (Turkish Anthem). The half of Turks are your brother in laws already and getting Natashas down every night, getting a pilot down hurts you ?  " |
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Post by Grecian on Dec 22, 2015 21:20:27 GMT 2
Does The Koran REALLY say "kill the non-believers during the holy months wherever you find them" ??
I really don't know enough about the absolute Shite that is happening over there to comment further..
I do hope that Syria gets Bombed to F uck....
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Post by pepecura on Dec 23, 2015 14:17:55 GMT 2
Does The Koran REALLY say "kill the non-believers during the holy months wherever you find them" ??
"Unbelievable" isnt it ? But, it does say that. And, that's what exactly Isis does, just following the words of Allah.
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Post by Grecian on Dec 23, 2015 21:33:47 GMT 2
You got a Link to that kind of Nihilistic talk in the Koran, Peps?
That 'cartoon' above with Putin is quite funny if it wasn't so misinformed - Russia has Turkey by the Bollocks right now..
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Post by pepecura on Dec 24, 2015 16:34:32 GMT 2
quran.com/9/5checkt this link out...It actually says not during the holy months, but when sacred months passed.
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Post by pepecura on Dec 24, 2015 16:54:39 GMT 2
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Post by Grecian on Dec 24, 2015 21:33:02 GMT 2
Thanks for that, Peps, but I really am Happy at the moment and all sorted for Christmas and I so know that those links will be a Downer..
The Goose is ready and my 32 presents are finally wrapped so will reply when I get back.
You have a Good Un..
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Post by pepecura on Dec 25, 2015 9:51:09 GMT 2
32 presents ? wow, you must have a clan ..
Russia has Turkey by the Bollocks right now..
That's for sure.
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Post by Grecian on Dec 31, 2015 21:32:46 GMT 2
...And a Happy New Year to you!
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