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Post by slowcoach on Aug 10, 2020 14:28:54 GMT 2
The borrowing of second homes is rife! We have no idea who all the visitors are, some of them yes, all of them no!
I have not done the sums but I think we are out numbered in general, and on the street massively.
The bar is more open than it should be, i.e. no visitors inside. It wouldn't be open at all, it hasn't been open in months, it is just for the visitors who can't organise buying a can of lager and putting it and a glass in their borrowed second home fridge.
They have brought their dogs, which roam about the streets without idiot let alone adult supervision, and their kids, ditto.
We even have a few who think that making a conspicuous display; flaunting their flouting of advice, recommendations, and law, in your face, is cool!
We, the minority who live, and perhaps are soon to die here, have roughly the same demographic, as the residencias, (old folks homes) that are absolutely shut down; no one in or out, except the staff, and no gifts, presents, books, papers, mail, that hasn't been quarantined.
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Post by auntieannie on Aug 10, 2020 21:02:22 GMT 2
I think Tzarine would say suerte, slow. I think it is a disgrace.
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Post by slowcoach on Aug 16, 2020 7:48:38 GMT 2
Last Tuesday, we went to the nearest bigger place, pop ~1500, to shop. The market was crowded, which it hasn't been since those halcyon days, ante-COVID. It was also badly behaved: precautions thrown to the wind. We bought some veg at a greengrocer stall that had no waiting customers and then left taking our apples, bananas, and uneasy feelings with us.
The crowds were not of local origin. They were the holidaymakers and second homers that arrived a week or two before and will be gone in a week or so's time. Well it seems they brought something extra for our neighbours, and now they have an outbreak, 5 cases of COVID-19 confirmed, in their village/town.
Given the timings involved: those cases likely relate to contagious visitors from a week or two before now and hopefully they have already left, or perhaps it is visitors themselves that are sick and staying put. It matters little who they are, that does matter is that it was unnecessary and predictable. One thing is certain, someone from out there brought it with them. We haven't had a case locally since Springtime.
Right now I am a bit pissed off.
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Post by kuskiwi on Aug 16, 2020 20:10:12 GMT 2
I don't blame you in the slightest. The 99% doing as they should undermined by the 1% if me me me type. Stay safe
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Post by slowcoach on Aug 18, 2020 9:37:03 GMT 2
Oh that they were just 1%.
Here wearing masks in public is mandatory for all over 6 years old. But only a bit over one half of residents, and a very few visitors do so.
Staying inside the law has to be the bare minimum.
The local outbreak has gone from 5 to 14 cases. There are news reports that I must read (onliine) in the local (provincial) newspaper.
The authorities are starting to shut municipal spaces down and they have put out an official notice telling patrons of a bar/cafe to go to the health centre to get tested.
FWIW the health centre is the last place I would wish to conduct testing of suspect individuals.
We are separately informed that there will be no market tomorrow, it matters little to us, we had already crossed going shopping off the "to do" list.
Right now I have two headaches, one a pain in my head which will pass, the other a contagion that is not passing any time soon.
Normal service will resume sometime or other, for now, look after yourselves, for it is not just here, the trends are not good in most of our countries.
ETA: Meanwhile, in the east of our province, the guards have arrested 40 people following a raid on a facility in the campo, were cockfighting was in progress. There is video footage of the facility and it was held in a what looks like a purpose built cockpit with concentric rows of banked seating.
WTF do people think they are playing at.
In the end, this may turn into a clear social division, along the old lines, those who think Spain is their country because it is where they live, and those who think it is their country because they own it.
BTB: Anyone seen the old King recently?
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Post by Voy on Aug 18, 2020 14:23:26 GMT 2
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Post by auntieannie on Aug 18, 2020 21:57:47 GMT 2
My niece was shocked at how few people wear masks in shops here. I must admit that this morning, I looked and thought "I can get by keeping my distances from these customers" and didn't wear mine whilst shopping. she told my parents off for not wearing their masks and not keeping their distances.
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Post by Baz Faz on Aug 18, 2020 23:14:13 GMT 2
People in Chipping Sodbury wear masks in shops. We were coming out of Waitrose this afternoon and a man without a mask was stopped from going. Bizarrely he said he had just come over the border from Wales. Mrs Faz was taken aback by this nonsensical excuse but gave him a mask to show what a friendly town we are.
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Post by shrjeff on Aug 19, 2020 5:30:16 GMT 2
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Post by slowcoach on Aug 19, 2020 13:11:24 GMT 2
We have word from the librarian that the outbreak stems from a televised football match that drew a large attendance to the bar with the best TV screen. Lots of people from lots of families and presumably one or more strangers carrying the disease all packed together in an indoor space.
An appeal was put out for people who attended the bar on and after the 8th of August to phone a number, which was quickly overwhelmed.
That is all I know for now. I have not seen any official notices, the official notice board is on the wall of the bar in question near its entrance.
Yesterday five more cases were declared making nineteen in all for our local cluster.
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Post by slowcoach on Aug 19, 2020 18:03:09 GMT 2
Another five more local cases today.
Most things that we need on a weekly basis are kinda mostly off limits just now, including the pharmacies, shops, health centre and vets.
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Post by kuskiwi on Aug 19, 2020 20:12:06 GMT 2
Sending you huge stay safe wishes and hopefully you can manage without going into the village. Some behaviour is beyond belief.
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Post by sophie on Aug 19, 2020 22:00:05 GMT 2
Yikes, slow, take care not to be ambushed.. you don’t need any Covid bits anywhere near you.
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Post by Netsuke on Aug 20, 2020 3:27:19 GMT 2
There was something I really wanted to get out there but I'd just posted a "What's on your mind" Post on faceplant so decided to post it here instead. ...The only problem is, I posted a response to another post and now I cannot remember what it was I was so eager to share with everyone.
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Post by slowcoach on Aug 20, 2020 9:09:14 GMT 2
From the "you couldn't make it up" department. Last week saw the celebration of the Assumption of Mary which is quite a biggy what with belief in its occurrence being dogma and all. Extra masses were held, both in the churches of the town/village in question, in the old folks home there, and in several now small communities that can't boast a resident priest, so here there were masses on both Saturday and Sunday. We are now informed that the peripatetic priest celebrating here there and everywhere including for the old folks has COVID-19. So, kuskiwi, sophie, it seems that if we can't go to the plague house, the plague house must come to us. FWIW I wouldn't be seen dead in any church except for a funeral service, literally and figuratively.
Today we must head in the opposite direction. We are away to the vehicle testing station to get the car certified good for another year, its current certification expires in nine days time. In a sane world we would be turned back at a checkpoint.
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Post by slowcoach on Aug 21, 2020 7:57:48 GMT 2
Yesterday's jaunt turned into a bit of an adventure but nothing sinister.
Back home another eight cases were added to the official figures for our local outbreak making, we think, thirty-two in total.
The government are requesting the power to shut the village down. We do not know how that would affect us as although we are part of the same municipality, we are miles away.
Yesterday, about an hours drive away to the north we were asked if they had closed the bridge. The bridge lies between us and the village and closing it would be a good idea, it would also cut the western part of Extremadura in two as it crosses Spain's major river.
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Post by sophie on Aug 21, 2020 15:47:27 GMT 2
There was an interesting (for me) article on the BBC site about the current infections in Spain. Stay safe.
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Post by slowcoach on Aug 21, 2020 15:51:00 GMT 2
Well they have put our bigger neighbouring village/town into isolation, no one in or out except for essential activities for an initial period of fourteen days.
It appears that nothing much else will have changed internally, shops and bars etc. will still be able to open.
It does however look like we will have to look further afield for shops to visit. We appear to be outside and won't be allowed in, or perhaps not, who really knows. Whatever the case we won't be going there anytime soon.
I am too amazed to moan about it much.
FWIW, in our municipality, one in forty are currently infected.
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Post by slowcoach on Aug 21, 2020 15:52:49 GMT 2
There was an interesting (for me) article on the BBC site about the current infections in Spain. Stay safe. Will do our best, take care.
ETA: I suspect you must be referring to this article: Coronavirus: Why Spain is seeing second waveYes, it is interesting and contains information new to me also. That it is nothing like so lethal in younger people is an obvious good. That it is common (>50%) for those infect to show no symptoms is obviously rather worrying.
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Post by slowcoach on Aug 22, 2020 9:14:22 GMT 2
Yesterday there were ten more cases in our municipality making forty-two in total.
ETA: The isolation of the town made the local TV news, with film of the Guards manning a checkpoint to the south of the town, as did our local mayor. I hope she has more success with fixing her constituents than she did fixing our dirty water supply.
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Post by kerouac2 on Aug 22, 2020 18:59:20 GMT 2
There was a rather significant political march below my windows this afternoon (at least 1000 people), almost all Africans demanding regularisation of their papers. I was pleased to see that nearly all of them were wearing masks.
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Post by shrjeff on Aug 23, 2020 8:12:57 GMT 2
This morning's announcement (23 August 2000):
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Post by Netsuke on Aug 23, 2020 11:34:03 GMT 2
There was a rather significant political march below my windows this afternoon (at least 1000 people), almost all Africans demanding regularisation of their papers. I was pleased to see that nearly all of them were wearing masks. What is meant by regularisation of their papers? What papers are these? Are we talking visas or permission to be in France? (You're in France, yes?)
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Post by slowcoach on Aug 23, 2020 14:28:46 GMT 2
shrjeff, I would be a bit concerned about the small sample size with respect to reporting test results at the local authority level. But then again, I just looked at the figures for Israel and a little difficulty in determining the statistical significance of case and death rates due to insufficient sample sizes would be a nice problem to have right now, but it will I think be an issue once the weekly case rates comes back down to May's levels. I do think that it is worth shaking things up, I just hope people jump the right way. Here it looks like opinion and associated behaviour patterns are becoming more and more polarised.
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Post by auntieannie on Aug 23, 2020 16:41:40 GMT 2
And the conspiracy theory that it's all a hoax has now crossed the Atlantic. It used to be mostly the USanians who were discussing the reality of the crises. now, the idiot are like "I don't believe in COVID". And these are the ones I fear most catching the thing from.
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Post by kerouac2 on Aug 23, 2020 20:49:11 GMT 2
Undocumented aliens are called "sans papiers" in France ("without papers"). They want refugee status, political asylum or immigration acceptance.
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Post by tzarine on Aug 23, 2020 21:43:45 GMT 2
slow stay safe
annie on those "i don't believe in covid" or the "it's my right to not wear a mask" types are the worst
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Post by slowcoach on Aug 24, 2020 12:12:39 GMT 2
Will do our best. After all we are in border the middle of nowhere, it is not like we are stuck in Madrid, or New York, when the sky was falling in.
I suspect there be some that don't believe because it seems impossible, incomprehensible, simply beyond our ken.
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Post by auntieannie on Aug 24, 2020 20:07:11 GMT 2
The ones who have said to me they don't believe "it" is because they state large amounts of what I consider fake news. And it becomes impossible to have a conversation about those. As you said earlier, in this thread or elsewhere, opinions are getting entrenched. I am deeply worried.
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Post by shrjeff on Aug 25, 2020 5:09:55 GMT 2
i am struck by the ludicrousness of their information, annie... like this whole 5g bit, which is particularly weird as israel has yet to establish a 5g network!
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